ROI With Podcasting and Publishing
What works… and how to define success on your own terms.
ROI is not one-size-fits-all, and it involves more than downloads or book sales (though those are an important piece of the puzzle).
Rather, we find it more useful to explore the dance between podcasting and publishing—and how these two platforms work together to create long-term results that last.
That’s the conversation we had during this month’s Twin Flames Studios Expert Panel, where I hosted three wonderful multi-medium experts: Traci DeForge, Michelle Fishering, and Alex Sanfilippo.
Together, we shed some light on how to combine your efforts to create flow, ease, visibility, speaking opportunities, and success that endures.
Your Podcast Will Write Your Book (When You’re Ready)
Books and podcasts complement each other perfectly.
Even worse, missing the connection between these two foundational pieces of content is a fast path to burnout and missed opportunities.
Traci DeForge laid it out clearly as a guest on a recent expert panel: your podcast should feed your book.
- Each one of your episodes gives you an opportunity to test and explore key concepts for your outline and writing process
- Your audience will give you feedback in real time
- When your book is ready (or if it’s already available), your first chapter will become an important lead magnet
“I can see no reason to separate them and probably a million reasons to connect them.” – Traci DeForge
This kind of cross-pollination and cross-promotion is what builds real momentum with FAR less work.
Michelle Fishering echoed the value of dual-purpose platforms:
“Podcasting and books are the foundation of your relational ecosystem. It can grow exponentially when you put the two together, whether it’s the podcast feeding the book creation or the book driving people to the podcast.”
And when you’re not sure what your book should cover?
Let your interviews guide you.
“These two things go together really well when it comes to fleshing out ideas.” – Alex Sanfilippo
Looking Beyond the Downloads
Downloads, subscribers, and book sales matter. But they don’t tell the whole story.
Predicting and understanding your results comes from a variety of different sources when combining your book and podcast into a unified strategy.
Alex recommended looking at completion rates – did they finish the episode? If not, your message may not be landing.
“Ask yourself: Am I telling stories that people want to hear? Is it resonating with them?” – Alex Sanfilippo
Traci added that intimacy beats vanity:
“A very small but highly engaged audience can actually turn into more conversations in some cases than the larger audiences.”
And Michelle reminded us that success should be custom-fit:
“I cannot tell you the number of clients I've sat down with, and we've taken their end goal, and we create metrics that make sense for them.”
Whether your goal is for your book or podcast to get you speaking gigs, grow your email list, or drive partnership referrals – then those are the critical ROI numbers to watch.
How to Move the Needle (Without Turning Into a Promo Machine)
Want your content to convert?
Keep it simple.
Don’t list every offer or jam your URL into every sentence.
“You want to make sure that your URL, for example, is very clear. Don't make one that's completely different from how audiences already know you.” – Traci DeForge
Alex shared a fresh example:
“I've more recently seen some authors doing miniature quizzes to determine if the book is a good read for you. Follow that up with next steps and resources.”
When you’re feeling awkward promoting your book or services in a podcast interview, this approach keeps it audience-first and makes conversion natural.
Your Content is Always Working
Nothing you create should ever be one-and-done.
Michelle put it beautifully:
“A podcast is a conversation – essentially what a good book is as well. I want to be able to go back and consume that material in a different format, but with rigor and intensity.”
That’s the power of a well-designed podcast episode, book, or audiobook: it sticks. It invites replays and re-reads. It earns attention over time.
Our advice?
Repurpose everything.
Turn interviews into articles, chapters into reels, or transcripts into social posts.
Respect the time you’ve already invested – your audience will, too.
One Brilliant Tip for Post-Launch ROI
“Your book should be part of a three-legged strategy: hosting, guesting, and targeted podcast ads. That way, you tap into audiences that mirror the ones you’re targeting.” – Traci DeForge
When you treat your book like a media asset rather than just a product, it works a lot harder for you.
Let's Recap
To create direct ROI from your podcast and book content, here’s where to focus:
- Podcast your book into existence (test ideas, get feedback, and build an audience)
- Use interviews to drive action (with one clear call to action)
- Track engagement (and be mindful about what drives it)
- Let both platforms do the work (your book feeds your podcast, your podcast sells your book)
- Repurpose everything (use what you already have and build from there)
You don’t need to do more.
You just need to stay consistent, connected, and let your content work for you.
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Final Thoughts
Your podcast and book aren't separate projects. They're two sides of the same strategy.
Forget chasing downloads or rankings.
Focus on what moves the needle both short and long-term:connection.
You've already created something meaningful. Let's make sure it gets the attention it deserves.
What most surprised you, or what do you still want to know? Let us know your thoughts below!
About Tina Dietz:
Tina Dietz is an award-winning and internationally acclaimed speaker, audiobook publisher, podcast producer, and vocal leadership expert whose work and shows have been featured on media outlets including ABC, NBC, CBS, The Wall Street Journal and Chicago Tribune, Inc.com, and Forbes. She’s been named one of the top podcasters for entrepreneurs by INC.com, and Tina’s company, Twin Flames Studios, re-imagines thought leadership through podcasting and audiobooks for experts, executives, and founders.